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we'll visit the tacoma narrows bridge to hear about its collapse on november 7th, 1940. the bridge was considered the third longest suspension bridge in the world. today the collapse is used as a case study for civil engineers in the study of bridge design. >> there was no suspension bridge anything like this anywhere in our part of the world. so that was an unfamiliarity with just how a big thing like this was supposed to behave. there is a certain musical gracefulness about a bridge like this. people i guess just wanted to think it wasn't anything wrong. >> watch these programs and more as c-span's cities tour brings you to tacoma, washington, saturday at nine eastern. and sunday at 2:00 p.m. on american history tv on c-span 3. the c-span city's tour, working
with our cable affiliates and visiting cities across the country. >> at this year's national conservative student conference, conservative columnist jonah goldberg spoke to college students. this is about an hour. >> i feel like i should be selling sham wow. it's great to be here. it's been a while. i used to do these every summer and then i started going on three state killing sprees instead. so it was a long, generous introduction. but as those of you who have heard me speak before know, if
it's not brought up, i feel compelled to do it myself. when the l.a. times picked me up as a columnist, barbra streisand quickly cancelled her subscription in protest. also, i'm a little rusty these days. i've been buried working on a new book in my house, sort of like howard hughes with kleenex boxes on my feet. i'm supposed to be sort of entertaining and thoughtful, whatever. it's tough, because that's a high bar to hit. makes me feel like the man who wants to be both a veterinarian and a taxidermist.
you get your dog back no matter what. i shouldn't do a lot of dead dog jokes. i'm a huge dog guy. i love my wife, i love my daughter but it's my dogs that get my out of bed every morning. i mean that literally, not the way joe biden means, figuratively. where to begin? i know i don't have a huge amount of time. henry viii said to each of his wives, i won't keep you long. [ applause ]. >> let's see if this enthusiasm remains throughout the whole thing. one of my favorite stories is about a medical school professor who teaches anatomy. he walked into this auditorium and he wants to see who's done
the assigned reading from the night before. the first thing he does is he walks in and he asked what organ of the human body when properly stimulated increasing eight times in size? and he looks at his seating chart and picks a very proper young lady in the back and he says miss smith. and the girl starts to blush. she squirms in her seat. i couldn't possibly say. i couldn't answer a question like that. the professor goes, okay, okay. looks at his chart and picks the smart as in the front. he says mr. jones. mr. jones says the pupil of the human eye when it goes from light to dark. and the professor says, that is correct. now, miss smith, i have three things to say to you. one, you didn't do your
homework. two, you have a filthy mind. and three, you are destined to live a life of unfulfilled expectations. i like that joke for a few reasons. first of all, because i think it's funny. it's lewd without crossing the line to scaramucci-esque. and just for the record, steve bannon is not that flexible. uh, before i continue -- but the second reason i like the joke is because it kind of gets to sort
of in some ways the heart of what it is to be a deserconserv in a lot of ways. you're often let down by events beyond your control and even sometimes events in your control. before i get into that, i should back up a second. i've been doing these things since before you weren't allowed to say yes. there was this great split sort of like the old monty python thing between the people's front of judeah and the other way around. for a while there, there were young americans for freedom. and then there was the great nerd fight. someone said something about -- it just got ugly. for years there was young americas foundation. if you called it yaf, you got these glares. now the tribes have been
rejoined. thank god someone touched the orb. and the scattered tribes of conservatism are coming back. i've been doing this a long time. i think it's part of my job. william f. buckley believed that he should go forth a. i wrote about it in a book i published, that young conservatives tend to come out of college smarter and better equipped for political fights than really smart young liberal kids. it's not because conservatives are inherently smarter or anything like that. it's just that the best learning is done through the socratic method. you can be the smartest liberal
kid on a college campus and all you'll do is hearing professors saying things you already agree with. the edge of the knife gets sharp when it runs the friction against the stone. dead things go with the flow living things swim upstream. conservative kids who can keep their principles and wits about them through four years of a liberal arts college just come out knowing their arguments and the other side's arguments better. that's a huge advantage in terms of the quality of the kids that places like yaf helps put out there. sorry i'm drinking so much water. i smoked an enormous amount of pot before i got here. i get this crazy dry mouth. so anyway i get forgetful.
normally, under normal circumstances, pre-orb, i would have just come here and, you know, let the red meat fly like the set of texas chain saw massacre, right? i get it. but we're sort of in a different moment, a difficult moment. these are sort of different times. you're going to get enough of that. i'm sure vice president pence, who i admire and i know a little bit, will tell you about the president's broad shoulders leadership. i'm sure -- actually he should have bingo cards ready for the term broad shoulder. i'm sure kellyanne did a great job. i'm sure newt gingrich will do a great job making the case for the administration and all of that. that's sort of not why i'm here today. some of you may know, if you
follow me at all, that not only am i a handsome man -- donald trump was not my first choice in the primaries. he was not my second choice in the primaries. wasn't my third choice in the primaries. he was right around the 17th mark for me in the primaries. also if you follow me, you know that i remain fairly skeptical on donald trump. i don't consider myself a member of never trump. never trump meant that i wasn't going to endorse him or vote for him. i always conceded that if i lived in some swing state in ohio, that i might have voted for him because my vote would have mattered. i've never lived anywhere in my life where my vote wasn't
outvoted 7 to 1. you'd go sit on a bench in central park and draw a little c in the dirt. i'll meet you in the catacombs. so my vote doesn't matter. i don't care about my vote except in the theoretical gay america sense. but what i wasn't going to do is say things that i don't believe. and this is one of these fascinating things that i have discovered. one of the most depressing -- look, these last two years have been rough. i've lost some friendships. i've lost a lot of money. i can't find that body i buried in tacoma. anyway, the most disappointing thing has been to hear from so
many people who have become disappointed in me that i didn't live down to their expectations. so many people thought, okay, i know you didn't like him in the primaries, but now he's the nominee. now you have to support him. now you have to rally to him. i'm like, no, i don't. it's not my job. i think 90% of journalistic ethics talk is b.s. guild stuff to protect journalism schools. there's one thing i actually believe really truly and in my heart, that the vast bulk of journalism ethics can be covered by this simple fatwah. do not say things you do not believe to be true and don't write them either. i'm not going to name names
because some of these people are friends of mine. and i'm still for some weird reason a fox news contributor. don't get me wrong, i'd like to stay one. there's people at fox that i admire a great deal. and then there's some other people. i am amazed at how many people say one thing when the red light on the top of the camera is on and another thing when the red light goes off. there are people who have said when the light goes off, i can't believe i have to defend this guy. and the short answer is, you don't. if you agree with what he's doing or you think the media is being crazily too harsh -- i'm not a member of the resistance either. every time i hear some of these people talk, i want to smash their guitar against the delta house wall.
the whole approach to donald trump from the day one of lots of liberal outlets has been, you know, donald trump puts salt on his french fries, hitler put salt on his french fries. i don't do that either, but i'm not going to lie and i'm not going to support someone -- i'm not going to say that someone's doing great or is winning simply because that's the talking point of the day. and i'm not going to pretend that some of these, you know, word salad fogs that come out of the president's mouth, that when you try to diagram the sentences, you feel like an alzheimer's patient wandering off into the snow are the height of american rhetoric. my position during the campaign was that this was the choice between two crap sandwiches on different kinds of bread.
and i am -- again, i'm totally open to the argument that you have to choose one. okay. i had to choose one, i would choose one of them. it wouldn't be hillary. but i wouldn't say this is the best roast beef i've ever had. that's the distinction. i'm not never trump. i'm not a part of the resistance. and i will confess that the day after the election, i thought i was incredibly happy. i was incredibly happy for a couple of reasons. one reason was hillary lost. [ applause ]. >> you can go back to aristotle. it is good when clintons lose.
moreover, i thought that we could get an enormous -- look, for reasons i'll get into in a second, i never thought a trump presidency would end well. but i did think we could get an enormous amount of stuff done before the wheels come off the bus. i thought we could get repeal and replace taken care of. that was awkward. i was glad about the supreme court. neil gorsuch is a clear home run. i have significant but dwindling hopes about a really great tax reform, not just tax cuts but tax reform. some of the regulatory stuff that donald trump has done has been great. i'm all in favor of. just being honest, he's been a better president than i anticipated so far. this is not a high bar.
this is like saying the best gas station sushi in alabama, right? it's a standard, but it's not a high standard. i should be fair. full disclosure, i'm clearly not a fan of donald trump's. but donald trump is not a fan of mine. he has tried to get me fired from national review, from fox news. he's -- we had these really fascinating sort of socratic dialogues on twitter. at one point, he -- um, he talks to some local nbc reporter and she read him an excerpt from a column i'd written for the l.a. times. and he said, wait a second, i went to the best schools, i built this amazing business, i've got this great brain. i'm sure you've never heard any
of this. and he said and i have to take this from jonah goldberg, a guy who doesn't even know how to buy pants? i have a team of interns working around the clock with like grease boards and legal pads trying to figure out what the hell that means. because, look, if i were like on a job interview, i wouldn't like lead with my pants buying skills. i wouldn't say like i'm the greatest pants buyer in the world. but i know how. you know, my wife doesn't like get calls a couple times a month from like the floor manager at home depot saying, sorry, mrs. goldberg, but your husband's here in the power tools section trying to buy pants again.
here's sort of the largest point, right. william rusher, who for 30 years was thestabl publisher of natio review. he would take people aside, maybe first job at national review. he would pull them aside and say i over got to give you some advice. look, politicians will always disappoint you. and he wasn't saying that because he thought politicians were bad people. obviously some of them are. he was saying that because the nature of being a politician is different than the nature of being an idealistic, ideologically committed young person working in a place like national review.
it's also different from the kind of people yaf attracts. politician's interests are always going to be different. they really like winning elections. that means they're going to do things we're going to have problems with. it's the job of journalists to acknowledge this fact and figure out how far you can bend or adapt your principles to reality and what lines you will not cross. the republican party never meant much to me and really means nothing at all to me now. i've always been incredibly proud of calling myself a conservative. i've been doing conservative -- i've been around conservatism in one way or another and working for it my entire life. i met pat buchannon at my bris. don't google bris right now. it will lead to all bad things.
my point is, i love conservatism. to me, it is essentially the most sincere form of patriotism. because at the end of the day, conservatism means gratitude. patriotism means gratitude. you are trying to defend, conserve and expetend those this that make this country a wonderful place. [ applause ]. >> and if you don't -- if you believe in the principles that we've got, then sometimes you're going to have to be willing to endure the fact that sometimes your principles are unpopular. that doesn't make them wrong. pure democracy, it's a really crappy form of government. all pure democracy is, is the doctrine that says 51% of the people get to pe pee in the cor
flakes of 49% of the people. populism is the same thing. i do not like populism. i've never liked populism. back when donald trump was giving money to chuck schumer, i was talking about how populism is dangerous. populism is the idea that right and wrong derives solely from the will of the mob, from the people and nothing else. there's no inherent principle they're following other than asserting the will of the people. he said, the people in nebraska are for free silver. i will look up the arguments later. that is not what conservative is about. it's not what libertarianism is about either. in my view, conservatism -- i can do high all day long. for me it all boils down to at the end of the day just two things at the metaphysical
level. the importance of ideas and the importance of character. and that's it, right? and you could talk about which ideas and arguments about ideas. that's part of it, is argument. one of the things i love about conservatives is that we're actually less dogmatic than people realize. we love to argue about our dogma. i've been doing panels with conservatives and libertarians for literally 25 years, right? and d.c. is full of 20-something -- i think the word in social science is dorks, right? who wear their ties with their and they argue about -- it's like dungeons and dragons geeks.
i think it is a hugely important thing. but politics is a little different. politics -- i could not run for office explaining why my platform is based on the fatal conceit. in politics you have to do things differently. this is something that gets to a larger point, that i'm actually very grateful to donald trump about. the last three or four presidential election cycles, the republican primaries have basically been like a c-span version of a reenactment of the movie spartacus. everyone gets up on stage, i'm ronald reagan. no, i am ronald reagan. full disclosure, i like ronald reagan. what has two thumbs and thinks ronald reagan is awesome? this guy. ronald reagan was put on this earth to do two things, chew gum
and kick ass. and he ran out of gum in about 1974. what people do not appreciate about ronald reagan was that, yeah, fine, he had principles. love those principles. yeah he was a conservative. love that. he was also a really good politician and he understood how to talk to people and persuade them. this is a huge part of the problem with conservatism. a lot of the campus speakers that conservatives bring to campus these days -- again, normally under normal circumstances, historically i come to these things and you know i just become a sprinkler system of red meat, bowls of liberal tears are delicious and all that stuff. fine, i get it. but there's a problem. the last decade or two it's
gotten to the point where first of all you could make a pretty good living only talking to groups that already agree with you. you could also win the republican nomination by only talking to groups that already agree with you. when you talk to groups that already agree with you, you forget about persuasion. politics is about persuasion. go back to aristotle. it's all about convincing people in another coalition that their interests are better reflected and advanced in your coalition. it's about arguments. it's about making arguments and bringing people over. when you go in front of audiences and all you do is the clickbait stuff which is really entertaining but persuades no one. actually people who are on a fence about an issue are fupush off to the other side when they encounter some of these shock
artist shcharlatashacharlatans. once you start talking about purity, by definition, you are freezing people out. ronald reagan always used to say, if you agree with me on 7 out of 10 issues, you're my ally not my enemy. now it's if you don't agree with me 110%, right, then you're a no good rhino squish. again, look as a conservative, i would love to have super majorities of conservatives out there. but as a halfway sentient being -- a liberal republican still votes for your majority leader, your speaker.
you want to grow the party. the hope is when you do that that you can bring these people along. what happened was it got to the point where no one knew how to persuade anybody. it was all the same bullet points. i could hit f 10 on my commutpu and give you 90% of the responses to republican debate questions. then along comes donald trump like freaking godzilla. we're supposed to take him seriously but not literally. if you're a student of the godzilla move as i am, you might know that a huge number of the early godzilla movies, every single time the hapless japanese army thought i know what to do,
i'll lure godzilla into biting these electrical cables. godzilla bites these electrical cables and he gets stronger. and the japanese army is like, oh, crap. that was donald trump in the primaries. he would say things you're not supposed to say out loud, never mind on a stage in an interview. and it works for him. i think one of the reasons it worked for him is people are so fed up with the sort of focus group nonsense, with this sort of you know cookie cutter republican stuff. and the one thing you can say about donald trump is he doesn't sound like he got his answers from a focus group. i don't think that's an unfair characterization. you couldn't get a group of people to make some of that stuff up. i'm grateful for that because he sort of cleared the field.
he sort of raised the village so he could build something new on it. in the meantime, we've got a problem because a huge chunk of the republican base and a large number of conservatives on campuses, as far as i can tell, are starting to internalize a lot of this junk either out of a desire to defend donald trump or to offend other people. this has been a problem on college campuses for a long, long time. look, i hate political correctness. political correctness is a hot mess. it's all sorts of warmed over marxism. fine. just because rudeness are politically incorrect, doesn't mean conservatives should be embracing rudeness and crudeness. we see this on so many college campuses. i think it's pretty clear by now
that i'm not exactly like a prim and proper, you know, blue hair type when it comes to cursing and all that kind of stuff. one of the first columns i wrote for national review online was trying to figure out how we could take original titles of the classics of the conservative cannon and turn them into porn movies. my point is i'm not some prude about these kinds of things. but when you start defending rudeness and crudeness as if they advance some higher conservative principle, you're basically declaring that you're giving up on conservative principles. to hear so many of the people who are so uptight about public cursing and all these kinds of things -- i won't name names but you know a lot of these talk radio hosts, former republican officials who in the past got really up society about bad lyrics and homer sirmpson and
this kind of stuff defending what scaramucci said or donald trump said, it's not because they think that stuff is good. they're just simply being corrupted by power. this is something a lot of people don't understand. i wrote about this a lot in my book. we've all heard the phrase power corrupts and absolutely power corrupts absolutely. what he meant was he was having a conversation with historians who was writing a history of the kochs and the historian was defending what they call in the field one of the bad popes who did very bad things. acton said this is a problem that intellectuals have this capacity to defend bad people.
th donald trump hasn't murdered anybody, but there is this tendency to say we don't really care anymore about those principles. donald trump proved that the american voter doesn't care about those things, so we're just going to move on. my answer to that is go to hell. we're not going to move on. if you believe these things when it was convenient to believe them, are you really telling me that your held your principles so cheaply that one election to defend this guy is going to cause you to abandon them? and the answer from lots of people is yeah. and i find it incredibly disappointing. if you actually believe in what you believe, you should hold on for at least a little while. but that's sort of the place we are in these days.
this idea of we'll support you on this if you support us on that. i think conservatives got too close to the bush administration during the war. there were reasons for it. it was a wartime president. his critics were being so unfair that people felt we have to over look the growth of government and the deficit and the fact that he was spending money like a pimp with a week to live because this larger more important imperative was at work.
i g conservatives should not place all of their hopes in any politician. go back and read the founders, read the federalist paper. they say this over and over again, that you should have a healthy distrust of any political leader, sometimes particularly the ones that claim to be speaking for you. i have lots of friends at the national review and the weekly standard that love to go have lunches and dinners and drinks with politicians. i tried really hard not to do that. friendship can be really corrupting. if you become friends with someone, it's much harder to tell the truth about. my attitude has always been sort of like a research scientist with these lab animals. don't get too attached. much easier to stick a needle in test subject 43 b than fluffy. it's the same thing with
politicians. the job at the end of the day for conservatives so not is not win i locatielections. it never has been. the job for conservatives is to move this country in a direction where it is in the self-interest of politicians to be conservatives. it's a big difference. [ applause ]. >> and i think just for your own help and edification about what to look for in politicians, ye , r, idealogical consistency and all that stuff is great, but they should also be like reagan, good politicians. the guy knew how to tell a
story. the human brain evolved to understand things through stories. we didn't learn how to read until, i don't know, 8,000, 10,000 years ago. most history was remembered in song or in stories. every important lesson in your life, your short, envy creating lives, comes with a story attached to it. there's this great story about ronald reagan being visited by george schultz who worked in the reagan administration. schultz wanted him to take a look at a speech he was doing because he thought it was a really good speech. reagan read it and said this is good. it's not the speech i would give, but it's good. schultz said what do you mean? he says here's what i would do. fact, fact, argument, story. that's how you connect with
people. that's how you convince people who you are. they can relate to you through stories. i wasn't always this jokey guy. i have guy i have strong ner i did tendencies first of all, i learned that a lot of conservatives can't tell jokes, which i think is weird. i also learned when you talk to liberal groups. if you can make fun of yourself, it makes it harder for them to hate you. and it also runs against the stereo type against conservatives which is that we need a truckload of bran just to crack a smile. so i'm saying, learn how to tell stories. most of you want to go into something related to conservatism or something that reflects your opinions, there's a reason you're here. if you're going to take
something away from my talk tonight, today, whatever time it is, it's learn how to persuade people that don't agree with you. learn how to bring people to your fold rather than scare them away. it's easy to be a shock artist. right now there are things i could do that could shock you, but they wouldn't p persuade you of anything. and at the same time, this is advice i've been giving you guys for a million years, have fun doing it. there's a couple reasons why, first of all, conservatives have more fun. they're happier about they're lives. because they don't have these expectations about the role of government. and second of all, life is too short to do something that makes you miserable. if you're doing something that makes you miserable, stop doing it. and third, there is nothing that
infuriates the left more than a conservative that seems to be enjoying themselves. and that, happiness is its own best revenge. and lastly, be b happy because you should be happy warriors general. the system we live under as flawed and damaged as it was under obama, and going back to the new deal, still remains the greatest system ever conceived of for maximizing human happiness. people ask why is there poverty? we know why there's poverty. it's the factory reset of the human condition. we're all born naked, penalline penalliness, ignorant and poor. the important question isn't why is there poverty, the only
important question is why is there wealth and there's one answer, and it's this amazing revolution, it comes out of the glorious revolution, unfolds through the civil war, it transforms the world and it comes from these basic bri principles that our rights god from god and we are citizens and not subjects. that flows all human prosperity for 10,000 years. that's a good side to be on in a good fight. you should be proud of it and happy warriors about it. if you're out numbered or see your party going another way, well don't give into it, fight. t.s. elliott wrote there is no such thing as a truly lost cause, because there's no such thing as a truly won cause.
sometimes if you're outnumbered that makes it more fun. be a member of the we happy few. that's where the fun is. it's no fun to go to a room and shout to people in a room who agree with you. it's more fun when you go out and fight the battles and win for the cause. thank you all very much. we have time for q and a? yes. so we'll do q and a. i ask you make your statements in the form of a question. yes, ma'am. >> how do you believe -- well, do you believe that the conservative party is being properly represented in main stream news media today and if not, how can it be improved? >> no, because -- conservatives
have never been portrayed well in the news media. the idea that they ever were is a product of nastall ga, not fact. it was reported that barry gold water's planned vacation to europe was, in fact, a clandestine effort to meet up with ne-yo nazi efforts in germany, this is what the scientists call a huge freaking lie. this kind of stuff has been common in the media for a very long time. the answer has always been the same, is have a more diverse media diet, is the only real solution for it. in some ways i think look
there's a lot of bad stuff going on in the media -- for you guys that want to be journalists this is also an exciting time in the history of journalism for young people to break into the media. you can use an iphone that used to take a cameraman and 10 years of dues paying to do. the only downside is it's hard to figure out how to get paid for it, but we'll figure that part out. i argue that the american media is turning back to what it was prior to the new deal, which is a partisan press from a lot of different perspectives. there's nothing wrong with that. that's the way it's remained in europe. in europe you have the london times which is conservative, you have the telegraph which is moderately conservative, you have the guardian which is bull show vick, it's not that they're bad but you know where they're
coming from. one of the things that the "new york times" has been is they've let people know where they're coming for. the one thing you shouldn't do is get all of your news from any one source. i say that as a guy at fox news. don't do that. figure out a good diet how to keep it diverse because otherwise you get more of this polarization where people cannot imagine that other people don't see the same facts the same way. that's how wars start. before i begin my question i'd like to say to the students here, go subscribe to jonah goldberg's the g. file. thank me later you will not regret it. my name is noah thompson, i'd like to ask you a question about william f. buckley. he's famous for uniting the conservative movement in the
1950s today the gop is divided. there's a battle between traditional and populist conservatives. what do you believe buckley would have done in response, in other words as bill clinton said to the intern, can we do this together, baby? >> i'm not going to get baited into a race to the bottom of intern jokes. although, race to the bottom, you know, is -- never mind. foul, sir. i get the gist of the question. there are some things that are sort of overlooked in it. one is one of the things that bill buckley did to yuan fie conservativism was to kick a lot of people out of conservatism.
and the fights with the burkers other cranks, antisemimites and the rest, these were real struggles. one of the reasons people don't understand bill buckley's inkpluns -- national review is my home but firing line. there's this tv show he did most of you never saw, but that was one of the longest running television shows for america. this was at a time they wanted to make george wallace the symbol of what it meant to be a conservative. the racist cranky populist guy and here comes william buckley, and he blue away the most educated and sophisticated of the left at their own game and that did enormous good for the brand. that is not the approach of many
of the people -- many of the conservatives who have regular television shows now. i'll put it that way. and we could use some more of that. at the same time, bill buckley could kick people out of the conservative movement in a way you can't do today. one of the things the internet has done, it's not that the gate keepers are gone, it's that the walls on either side of the gates are gone. so it used to be if bill buckley said you were beyond the pail, you were too extreme, where were you going to go? there was no internet. you weren't going to get on one of the three, four television channels. you were never going to get on "meet the press," you were basically locked out. and there are lots of things to be thankful for that that old world is gone because liberals are getting back to the question, the main stream media, the establishment liberals they
basically got control of the message americans got. we li-in a freer time with a lot more access to a lot more sources. one of the downsides is it makes it difficult to police your own side. everybody gets to be on twitter. every jack as gets to say something on twitter -- it reminds me of this line from or well where it says a man can be a failure and take to drink. you have this cat lick thing where someone says something stupid on twitter, trust me it happens, and the other sides picks up that head and says see that's what the enemy is like. and everyone gets defined by the stupidist people. my colleagues have said, that conservative -- he tries to do this. he tries to take on liberalism's
best fights. and one thing that can help you on college campuses is stop picking the weakest arguments. pick the strongest links in the chain and have arguments about those. it's more effective, make you smarter and it's a more intellectual serious way to have an argument. i can argue with sally cone all day. i can also shave my face off with a cheese grader. there are some things that aren't worth the time. so i have no problem -- getting back to your question. i have no problem with populist conservatism as long as it's conservatism. i have a problem -- this has been a debate if you've ever read george gnash's history of the national movement. this has been the debate
forever. i think you can have both as long as it's defined by limited government conservatism. we don't hear a lot of that from the self-described nationalists. we hear something else. protectionism isn't conservativism. and nationalism isn't conservatism. so i think that it's going to be a much harder task to yuuni fie the tribes, as it were. we may be ripe for an emmanuel macron type of guy on a white horse coming out of nowhere that destroys both parties. elements of that maek me happy, elements of that make me want to flip the safety on my rifle. so the simple fact is times have changed and the model of william f. buckley doesn't appeal the way it once did.
i wish it did. and the tool that is he had don't exist the way they once did. yes, sir. >> what itt wanted to ask was t national influenced or populist influenced movement now, what people refer to as a new right, i think one of the things they're characterized by is their efficient usage of social media and new media formats how do you think more right movements need to change so they can keep up, as it were? >> i mean, this is an old story. first of all, in my lifetime alone i think there have been four new rights. just go to your card catalogs and look up books about the new rights and they're talking about nine different new rights going back to the old right which actually did not exist. but there's also an old story
that conservatives have always, because we have been locked out of the main stream media channels, larger universities and the rest, conservatives are very much like the porn industry. they've been good at adopting new technologies of communication. i'm not kidding. direct mail, vcr, dvds, a.m. talk radio. you go back, conservatives have always sort of found ways to sort of work around the main stream media because they had to. and -- so it doesn't surprise me the sort of nationalist types are doing that because they have to work around the elite conservative blichlmeestablishm well, which is a policy i'm not inclined to change. but look, this is something -- forget conservative or not conservative. this is something, you know,
that every magazine, every television network is scrambling with about how to use social media better and all the rest. i don't have any great ideas. i've organized my professional life around not being an early adopter of this stuff and not -- i want to write. you know, that's what i like doing. i like playing with dogs, usually in nicer weather than this. and drinking brown liquor. so doing long strategy sessions about how to maximize social media, is not my thing. but lots of people are thinking about it. it doesn't surprise me that the ouders have taken to it more because they have to. at the same time, the more they try to sort of be establishment venues they run into other problems because at the end of the day ideas and arguments are what cary you forward.
they may be great at social media, but they're not great at winning a lot of arguments. you haven't seen a lot of trump copy cats win any primariries, win any sort of political contest. you haven't seen a lot of good intellectual magazines and other outlets embrace trumpism too closely because part of the problem is you get whiplash because donald trump will change his position so often so they have to stay at sort of 30,000 feet and say they believe in the idea of trumpism if not the flawed vessel that incarnates it. that's a long winded way of saying i don't have an answer for you. yes, ma'am. >> good afternoon. i will be a rising freshman at hills dale college and i would like to thank you for the dad
jokes. at 3:00 in the afternoon they're highly appreciated. my question is looking at the rising faces of right wing media among 20-somethings, kind of going off the last question, how do we, the next generation of conservatives, who want to be in journalism or media have integrity like you are saying don't say or write what you don't believe when we are seeing those before us use us young people for the clicks and gains without representing conservativism. >> in another timeky give a whole talk about a lot of this stuff and have a better answer to the last question that was just asked of me. again, i've been doing this -- i came to national review, i think late 1998, and i was a freelance writer before that and a television producer before that. so i worked in the same building
when the weekly standard started. i've been around a lot of this stuff far really long time. lasting -- first of all, lasting success comes from maintaining your integrity. it is really easy -- i can't tell you how often my friends and colleagues from national review will see some person emerge as the new hot young thing, right and they'll be a big deal and maybe they'll have had some tv success or you tube success and it goes to their head, this guy's the future, this girl's the future, six months later you're like who was that again? the hardest thing in this line of work is grinding it out day by day. this is one of the points that
is really important about your career, whatever career you want to do. you have to like it. you don't have to love it. there are some people that get fulfillment in life from the stuff they do outside work and they just want to work to pay for that stuff. that's fine, that's honorable. in some ways it's healthier. if you want to go into journalism you have to like it. i have a friend whose mom was a painter and she'd tell people, before you get into school of painting and all that stuff you have to like the paints you have to like the smell of it in the morning. you have to like it. i was a television producer, i loved it when my learning curve was like this. i loved i could tell chicks that i worked for pbs it sounded so sensitive. i travelled around the worl, went to europe, asia, wear my light meter and it was cool. until the learning curve let off
then this isn't for me there's too many management, too many variables. i like writing because i'm responsible for what ends up on the page. i can stop being on tv tomorrow. i couldn't stop writing. i'd like to go -- what i want to do is write science fiction and economic books but i need more f you money. first of all, integrity is -- first of all, it's more important than even big success. it's certainly more important than temporary fleeting success. you also have to figure out what kind of person you just simply want to be. do you want to be a person that people take seriously and respect or do you want to be someone who has really impressively blond hair who gets to be on the "view" but no one takes seriously.
and quality will out in the end. and the great thing is, in the end you can look back on the things you did and have a greater measure of pride. that said if you want to be in journalism, one of the first things you should try to not do is try to be like me. as you may have noticed, i am self-indulgent. i have an imaginary talking couch in my goldman file, i write about my dogs, tweet about my dogs all the time. i get away with it, i shouldn't. screw them. if you're just getting out of college, don't share with the world all your deepest feelings and tell the world why you have this unique insight into the universe. report facts, make arguments. let the quality of the subject matter drive you. when you build up some writing chops and reputations you can
follow my schtick. >> thank you, sir. >> i guess we're all done. thank you very much. >> the labor department says that more than 200,000 jobs were created last month and the unemployment rate has dropped to 4.3%. president trump responded to the news on twitter saying excellent jobs numbers just released and i have omjust gun. many job stief ling regulations back to the u.s.a.. that's a full percent lower than typical at this jobless rate. house democratic leader nancy pelosi focussed on that in her
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